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    Default Win 8 has Windows Defender installed: Do not install MSE

    Folks, Win 8 comes with Windows Defender V6 installed and enabled by default. This is the MSE AV/AM engine. MSE is presently at V4. MSE is designed for Win XP, Vista and Win 7. MS states MSE should not be installed in Win 8 as WD is an upgraded version of MSE.

    There have been numerous threads stating that MSE will not update, or WU will not function with MSE installed, but as soon as MSE is uninstalled WU started working properly.

    DO NOT INSTALL MSE IN WIN 8 CP OR WIN 8 RP OR WIN 8 WHEN RELEASED!
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    Default Re: Win 8 has Windows Defender installed: Do not install MSE

    I have known it.

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    Default Re: Win 8 has Windows Defender installed: Do not install MSE

    shark, welcome to our Forum. Many others did not realize this little tidbit.

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    Default Re: Win 8 has Windows Defender installed: Do not install MSE

    MSE won't even install on Win 8 RP, I tried & got an error message saying that the install cannot proceed. This has been sometime back, when RP was released.

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    This post, along with the error, is to advise those who are thinking of adding MSE to Win 8 RP, DON'T DO IT, it just won't work.

    If the user wants to install another AV/IS suite other than WD, make sure of compatibility by downloading & installing a "Trial" version of your preferred brand before buying. Be sure to turn off WD by opening the program & uncheck "Use This Program", then OK. If it's an IS suite, be sure also to disable Windows Firewall. Then install your choice of AV or IS suite following it's instructions carefully. Most of the time, a reboot will be required.

    Once this is done, make 100% sure that everything is working properly & that there are no warnings in the Action Center. Win 8 CP & RP is picky, especially with aftermarket Firewalls, this is why I suggest a Trial version first, some has up to 90 days before deciding to buy, but 14 to 30 days are the norm.

    Note that my post is not an attempt to dissuade users from using WD, I'm just providing instructions for those who prefers another security solution.

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    Default Re: Win 8 has Windows Defender installed: Do not install MSE

    Thank you so much for this information. I advanced to Windows 8 not by choice, but through necessity after an electronic death in the family. This occurred within days of W8's release. I installed the Norton Security Suite from our provider and it worked well for the first couple of weeks. The last two weeks, none of the Windows updates are going through and as of yesterday, even trying to download the Norton Uninstaller or an Adobe Flash update was impossible. I have taken the machine back to factory settings and ma rethinking the whole Norton experience after reading another thread on here. I am not super computer savvy, and am wondering if Windows Defender, along with Malware Bytes is sufficient for average use? Or AVG free or what whatever it is now. I do banking and online ordering on my laptop and occasionally visit Facebook if I am forced to. If this is the wrong place to ask this question, please point me in the right direction. I do think Norton is at the bottom of my trouble and it wouldn't be the first time. Also, McAfee was sort of preloaded, but before I sign up for any subscription, I would like to know exactly what I need with W8 and what exactly does Windows Defender do?

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    Default Re: Win 8 has Windows Defender installed: Do not install MSE

    Windows Defender & MBAM Pro (or Free) will work perfectly together. That's what I'm running, WD & MBAM Pro. Oftentimes, the Pro (Lifetime) version can be found at Newegg (w/discount code) or Fry's for as little as $9.99 w/free shipping, a savings of $20. Just sign up for promo emails at Newegg & check them daily. Occasionally, it'll be $14.99 w/a Free 4GB Flash drive bundled.

    Norton evidently missed an infection, or was not configured correctly (the defaults aren't always perfect). Get rid of it.

    Windows Defender for Windows 8 isn't like the one for Windows 7, Vista or XP. For those OS's, it's a spyware app. On Windows 8, it's a total AV app with AM (anti-malware) capabilities. The AV is excellent, the AM, MBAM is better. If you download the Free version of MBAM, you'll be offered a 14 day trial of the active (Pro) version. Sites that contains malware will not be loaded, & you'll get a notice that the page was blocked. The AM portion of WD doesn't do this, or it hasn't for me since 02/29, when 8 CP was introduced.

    Some users has had success with AVG 2013 Free, & it does offer a lot under the hood. Email & Rootkit protection, lots of goodies that AVG doesn't advertise for their Free version (because they want to sell the paid version). My issue with AVG 2013 Free wasn't the AV itself, but my desktop is low spec, & it showed. So unless you have at least a 2.0GHz CPU (dual core preferred, or a HT enabled single core, obviously higher than 2GHz), 4GB RAM for 64 bit users, WD may be the better choice.

    Plus, WD is light on resources. It silently scans key areas of the computer several times per day, though it's good to do a Full manual scan at least 2 to 3 times per week. Let it run while you're running errands, that way, it doesn't interfere with your schedule.

    Cat

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