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    Best Buy? A total Rip-Off outfit. I worked for a company like that 25 years ago, where they didn't care if they sold product at all, as long as they could sell the "Maintenance Contract" which is where they made the most profit.

    Anyone who is internet aware at all, just needs to do a little search on "The Geek Squad" and they will shortly find that the GS is the laughing stock of the Computer Service world.

    CAT, do that person a really big favor and reinstall W-8 for them. With those PC spec's, it should run like a scalded cat. That is, if you apply the Optimizing tweaks. The ones I've used for W7 for years, also work equally well for W8. (makes one suspect that W8 is just an update to W7.)

    By the way...... AVG 2014 Beta is working great on Win-8.1

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    Cat,

    Do not go (backwards) to Windows 7; just get Windows 8 flying as it should/would on such a machine.

    If it's slow it has malware or bundled crapware or they have it using Norton or some such rubbish. Also, could likely do w/ a good cleaning... CCleaner, Internet Options & Disc Cleanup on steroids (if you know what I mean by that).

    By the way, I've, still, not found a buyer for that ASUS.

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    I believe that I've discovered a lot of the issues with her slowdowns, CCleaner (nor even the inbuilt disk cleanup tool) hasn't been ran since I last ran it when I installed her 16GB RAM kit. Over 2,900MB of all sorts of files were cleaned today, even with just a 1pass overwrite, it took over 15 minutes for CCleaner to finish it's job.

    That in itself led to faster boots, then I went to the Task Manager to see what fires up with the notebook. What a list of medium & high resourse apps loading at boot! I disabled at least 10, possibly 12 apps (mostly High impact ones), this caused even faster booting.

    It is now far more acceptable to her, however I feel that the 3 user Trend Micro Titanium Internet Security (misleading since it offers no firewall) that Best Buy "thrown it to sweeten the deal", is slowing the computer, as she had it on this one when I got it from her. It only had 4GB of DDR3 8500 RAM at the time, needless to say, performance was pitiful.

    She absolutely refuses to run Windows Defender, mainly because it's her only computer & she is an avid stock trader, during the main trading hours, she'll only get away from the notebook long enough to relieve herself or grab a cup of coffee. In the world of stock trading, mere seconds is the difference between missing out on a great deal, or selling those that she has at a profit.

    For that reason, she doesn't believe a free security app (of any kind) is good enough. Honestly, I can't blame her. Many who conducts trades uses other OS's than Windows, such as CentOS (a free version of RedHat, a subscription based Linux OS). She was running it in VirtualBox, but her trading software doesn't support the current version. However she needs to do better than Trend Micro, I've convinced her to lets next weekend to install Emsisoft Anti Malware, which I know firsthand runs perfectly on Windows 8 & 8.1 flawlessly & is very light on resources.

    Yes, I agree with both of you, Best Buy isn't on my list of favorite stores. But this was the deal. The notebook that she had at the time was having RAM dumps (the one I'm now typing on) & I found one for her at a killer deal on Newegg for around $900 ($300 savings). It was the MSI brand, which essentially had the same hardware as the Samsung that she ended up buying. The man at Best Buy wanted $1,000 for the open box at first, a savings of $200. But she printed the offer at Newegg & carried it with her & stated that she could buy a like spec one at Best Buy or Newegg & was going to do so that day.

    So the folks at Best Buy complimented her on being an aware shopper & caved in. They had already made their profits on the ones still in the boxes, so it was a no brainer to knock off a couple hundred more bucks on a demo. And no, they did her no favor in throwing in that Trend Micro crap.

    I also feel that these "open box" or demo notebooks had the potential to be abused, though there was no scratch on it, it could have been dropped, used by employees as a free computer on the job, could have even been a return. It's possible to sell a returned computer as new, as long as the prior consumer didn't register it with the OEM (of which many doesn't anyway), it wouldn't show as a used product. A reload of the OS would take care of that.

    Anyway, she's now more happier & hopefully we'll get Trend Micro off of it next weekend. She has also used my computer with 8.1 installed & like what she sees, but like the majority will wait for the release. She has a lot of financial software installed on it & doesn't want to be bothered with the trouble (neither do I) of reinstalling it all.

    She was hellbent on buying a notebook, but if it were me, I'd want the real deal, a powerful desktop for this sort of use. Or at least have both.

    Drew, I hope that you can sell that notebook, consumers & businesses alike are still tight these days, even though the government continues to post increases of jobs. Must be where the fracking is going on, it sure hasn't picked up around here.

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    She has also used my computer with 8.1 installed & like what she sees, but like the majority will wait for the release. She has a lot of financial software installed on it & doesn't want to be bothered with the trouble (neither do I) of reinstalling it all.
    Cat,

    This is the only part I have to query...

    What does 'testing' 8.1 (remember, VM or dual-boot or spare box) have to do w/ a need to re-install anything? I just can't follow this part of what you wrote.

    That machine should have the Disc Cleanup on steroids run on it. And not just 10 or 12 things but, everything running @ Startup should be disabled.


    That's crazy. I always tell clients to run CCleaner daily; should take 15 secs not, 15 mins!! Geeeesh!


    Yes, I sure hope I sell it VERY soon, too! It sure is a damn nice machine!!

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    She doesn't really want to bother with running it as a VM, nor testing, like many, she prefers a finished product. And probably lacks the time to bother, after sitting in front of it from the opening of the Dow on weekdays until the final closing bell rings.

    I've disabled a lot of the Startup items, except the security related & a couple of MS related ones. After cleanup & disabling what was unneeded & updating to the current NVIDIA package (was 2 versions behind), it's running better.

    She now knows to run CCleaner each & every day, as well as run a short scan with SuperAntiSpyware, this keeps ad cookies & many trojans off of the computer. It's my nightly routine (when running Windows) before shutting down & after making any sort of financial transaction.

    Some people, one has to tell them everything to do. I mean everything. She is one of those types. It seems like it's a trait not only in my in-laws, but natural family & some friends also, When I point something out that should be obvious, the usual response is "I didn't know that".

    But back on track, I hope that many users does have a chance to try 8.1 Preview (yes, a VM is fine) & get a feel for what they're going to get. It may even cause some of those who are considering a Windows 7 downgrade to reconsider. I'm with most of the crowd on this, it's do or die time for the Windows 8 project, from the looks of it, 8.1 is promising. However, I'm with those who measures a project a success or failure.

    That measure can be of several things, however the largest part is customer adoption, which goes hand & hand with profitability. That word may decide the eventual fate of Windows 8. At the very least, MS has to break even on this project, or it's going to be perceived as a failure in the eyes of everyone involved, MS itself, it's customers/partners, OEM's, shareholders will all either be winners or losers in this & we'll all share that same fate alike.

    One reason that I feel that another promo is in order, for the revamped, more user friendly Windows 8. No money is generated by simply giving current customers an update, MS is going to have to agressively promote this product in order for it to sell & not depend on the computer OEM's to do it all. After all, it was they who dropped the ball the last holiday season by not having adequate product on the shelves, including the MS brand itself. And the "lack of time" to prepare was no excuse, it's likely that the OEM's had the previews before we did.

    For the sake of us all, I hope that 8.1 is a success.

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