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    It is my belief that the users of any of the forums I have frequented are those users that do care about their PC security and do use up to date AV protection.

    Cat, you are never going to be able to convince your (I'm sorry to use the word, I apologize ahead of time) ignorant relative of the error of his ways. There are way too many people like this out there. They either are ignorant or they are blissfully unaware, or they are crooks stealing from their blissfully unaware neighbors. I realize some of us allow our neighbors to use our networks because we are good neighbors. That is totally different than stealing a connection from your neighbor when they are unaware of what you are doing simply because they do not know how to set their own security settings to stop you.

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    Ted, I know that I'll never convince him differently, although when he has problems, guess who he calls upon. Me. If it weren't for the fact that he's an immediate family member (my stepson), I'd cut him off, because for one, I don't believe in freeloading off the backs of others. Having & using a computer for 6 years w/o paying for an ISP is just that, unless one is using public wi-fi, which he isn't.

    Secondly, all he looks for is an immediate fix for his issue, & doesn't care for the true upkeep of his computer, which includes security, updating & backup. He simply turns updating off, period. This computer that he owned that I described earlier, when he was living with us, was a $1,600 PC. I didn't have that much money for a computer at that time, & still don't. This only further proves his ignorance, I prefer to say stupidity, because I've told him this time & again. He's no longer in the ignorance category.

    He's probably able to get by with what he's doing because of the very dense population of the area in which he lives, and he did buy a high powered wi-fi setup (looks like a mini satellite dish). This is probably why he can point & connect within seconds, even through tall buildings. But he does pay for software to hide himself to prevent getting caught. So he knows what he's doing is wrong.

    But it, like other things that he does, will catch up to him sooner or later. We all reap what we sow.

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    On a little different note on AV one frustration I've encountered at Avast forums is that occasionally it is necessary to disable your AV when installing some software. Updating VMware tools always causes me problems unless I disable the AV. Numerous software makers put in their instructions to disable AV. The fanboys there at Avast practically foam at the mouth when anybody asks about how to disable it. There were a couple other programs in the past that needed AV disabled to install or update. When I do disable AV I disconnect from the web until I finish.
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    So do I Joe. When I do backups, I always disconnect from the internet, then disable my IS suite & MBAM, then backup the computer. I refuse to be connected to the internet with no security at all. Fortunately, I haven't installed software lately that required me to disable my AV.

    But several months back, SP1 wouldn't install onto a Windows 7 Pro install, even after running the System Readiness Tool. So I had no choice but to disable ESET NOD32 (which I was running at the time), to allow for SP1 to install, & it finally did. What I didn't understand was why SP1 had installed onto 3 other Windows 7 installs w/o a hitch.

    However, afterwards I ran both ESET NOD32 & MBAM as full scans, once Windows 7 rebooted. And all was clean, but I didn't want to chance it.

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    " it's abhorrent to me that anyone with enough knowledge to log into a forum (like this one) would have the gall to brag that they don't and won't use any kind of AV Protection. That person should be BANNED immediately, with no further conversation about it."

    Tahst is scarey! And you are a moderator. OMG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazirah View Post
    " it's abhorrent to me that anyone with enough knowledge to log into a forum (like this one) would have the gall to brag that they don't and won't use any kind of AV Protection. That person should be BANNED immediately, with no further conversation about it."

    Tahst is scarey! And you are a moderator. OMG.
    What are you talking about? TM's only pointing out that it's only proper (as well as being a responsible computer user/owner), to install, keep updated & run some sort of a security solution.

    By not running security, the user who does so is probably spreading viruses all over the net. For the same reason that most of us gets flu shots, so that a severe outbreak of the flu doesn't take over a community. It's not exactly the same, but similar.

    I pay over $100 per year for security software, not only to protect myself, but my peers also. It's just the right thing to do.

    So, what's the issue with TM's post that offends you?

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    If you cannot see the problem, then I cannot help. To ban someone for free discussion? come on. Maybe isomeone shold point out that the reason many come onto forums is because theye are, in fact, a little unknowledgeable in some areas. Thet are seeking advice.
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    I never seen where anyone implied that a member would be banned for exercising his/her rights to free speech, that wasn't the issue. This forum is not like that. You've brought being banned for free speech into the thread.

    TM was referring to those who those who refuses to run security protection & boasts about it. That's not the way for a responsible computer user to be. If nothing else, there are a handful of decent free AV's, there's even a free IS Suite by Comodo. No reason for any user to not run a security app.

    Furthermore, this forum is far more than a "chatbox between moderators and just a couple of regular users". This is a growing forum, and as time passes, the moderator to member ratio will decrease. Us moderators are here for that upcoming growth. All forums started small, even the Windows 7 ones did.

    And if you don't like it here, then just go. We aren't holding anyone here by gunpoint & don't intend to.

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    jazirah, whether you stay or leave is entirely up to you. You have added some dynamic discussions and informed thought to some of the different forums.

    The comments made by TechnoMage did not seem directed at any one individual in particular and were expressing his opinions of those people who choose to not use security precautions, and brag about it. This is far different than those that are unaware of security precautions and come to forums to learn from more experienced people on these matters.

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    I've been asked by many of my customers, how a big company like Grisoft can give away a program like AVG 2012 for Free. I believe it was one of Grisoft's own people who said on their forum, that they give it away FREE to lower the amount of viruses worldwide. A few other companies have gone the same route, providing FREE versions of their AV software. I've tried them all and many come up short of what they need to be, not only for AV protection, but for user friendliness.

    It's the people who refuse to use AV and/or AS software that perpetuate the spread of viruses.
    They do that at the peril of every person on the WWW that they come in contact with.

    So with newbies coming to the forums for information on how best to run their computers, it's very dangerous
    to have someone on the forum telling them to NOT use any AV software. That's probably worse than someone using foul language, etc. In either case, those posts should be edited out and the poster warned that those ideas are not commensurate with the purpose of the forum. Banning should, of course, be a last resort. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. Sorry about that!

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