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sbanhoy
07-11-2012, 06:22 AM
I need one softwace to tunup my computer because it work is slow.....
Thank

Medico
07-11-2012, 09:12 AM
There is really no magic app that does what you want. There are several threads in the Performance and Maintenance Forum that show ways to clean up a PC. Here is one such thread (http://www.forumswindows8.com/performance-maintenance/cleaning-up-your-pc-prior-imaging-5354.htm).

Quite often a PC slows down because you have too much running in the background and too few resources (Ram, CPU cycles) for multitasking. Check using an app such as What's In Startup (http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/what_run_in_startup.html)to stop many of the apps that do not need to be running in the background.

TechnoMage
07-12-2012, 06:28 AM
The complete tune-up that I do when setting up a new PC, is not just one program, because there are none.
It's a package of registry tweaks and tune-up tips that I've accumulated over the past 17 years, since Windows 95 was first released. Not just one thing from one source.

So there is no real Answer to the Question. Learning how to get the most out of a PC takes time..... lots of time, lots of reading and lots of trial and error.

But for those smart enough to use it, I've put all my Win-7 Tune-up stuff in one RAR file on my Web Site for easy download. I'm developing my "Win-8 Stuff" file, but it's not ready for prime time, yet.

I showed my custom Tune-Up to a local computer tech one day. At the completion, his computer was running much faster than it had been before. So I asked him, "Well, what do you think?" and his response was, "I'd never do that, because it would make the computer too reliable and my customers would never [have to] call me back."
That seems to be the opinion of most PC tech's today. "Just fix the immediate problem and leave everything else for the next call". That's exactly what "The Geek Squad" does.

Cheers Mates!
TechnoMage :cool:

sbanhoy
07-12-2012, 10:09 AM
In the world, there are many software companies advertising their products can help our computer run faster and more stable.
this is not reliable?
a software system such as Advance card, Tunup PC, PC Scan ....

Medico
07-12-2012, 10:31 AM
Do not trust any of those apps!

I suppose something like CCleaner (http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download) or Advanced System Care (http://www.iobit.com/advancedsystemcareper.html) can help, but be very careful, especially with the registry portions of these apps. They can be very aggressive and clean way too much and cause your PC not to boot.

There is no magic wand to fix your PC. Cleaning your PC requires your input. Read the threads we linked.

TechnoMage
07-12-2012, 05:37 PM
Over a couple of years, CCleaner destroyed my PC twice. I won't let it anywhere near my PC, because it has the ability to totally destroy it. Nuff said.

The only multi-app Cleaning program that I will trust with my PC and the PC's of my customers is "Easy Cleaner 2".

Recently, it was re-written for compatibility with Windows 7 and 8. I still use it every day, with 100% confidence.

As for the "seen on TV" programs, , , they are all a big SCAM. Every one will take you to the same web site where they hit you up for $40 or so, to clean up your PC, after they tell you that you have over 1000 problems that need immediate attention. That's bull hocky!

NEVER fall for any of those programs that you see advertised on TV. NEVER!

TM :cool: (the Professional in the room)

Medico
07-12-2012, 06:57 PM
I had tried Easy Cleaner in the past with less than admirable results. Perhaps it's time to take a look again. I have had great success with CCleaner on several PC's so I am not sure what your problem might have been. But anyway I will take another look at Easy Cleaner.

Joe S
07-12-2012, 08:09 PM
I've used Ccleaner on Windows 98, XP, Vista and Windows 7 without any problems. I also stay with the default settings and save what it removes from the registry. I've tried some others in the past and had to reinstall after they finished.
Joe

catilley1092
07-12-2012, 10:26 PM
So have I. CCleaner has been a excellent utility for me, as far as general cleaning of accumulated junk goes. Being that now I have a SSD in my notebook, I run the quick (unsecure) clean, rather than the 1x wipe that I use on my mechanical HDD's. SSD's don't benefit from these type of wipes, & can cause premature wear also. Still, the quick clean removes the junk.

I'm just finishing a clean install (not a recovery install) of 7 Pro x64, tomorrow I'll image it, & install 8 RP. After the install, updating, installing Office 2010 Pro Plus, updating that to SP1, as well as 30+ more updates, then my apps, CCleaner removed over 1,300MB of useless junk. Plus I was able to disable some unneeded apps at startup.

But CCleaner isn't a all-in-one solution for a tune up. Defrag is a must, unless a SSD is being ran, & while on the subject of that, avoid Auslogics Disk Defrag like a plague. In another thread, there is an ongoing discussion of missing restore points, not only on 8 RP, but Win 7 also. This has been a issue for me since 7 was released, I've ran Auglogics Disk Defrag most of that time. Once removed from all of my OS's, missing Restore points hasn't been a issue for me.

The built in Windows Defrag that's in Win 8 RP & 7 is good enough, unless one has a paid app. I also have Perfect Disk, a paid for app, but it hasn't caused loss of restore points. Auglogics was only being ran for quick defrags, yet it proved costly to me.

Read through the forum, there's a lot of tweaks in discussions, some has a larger impact than others, but when added up, several small tweaks can make a noticeable difference in boot times & overall performance. If it's enabled, turn off indexing, it's not needed often enough to keep it running 24/7. Apps at startup, like Adobe Reader, backup programs, Logitech has a few entries, any of these not needed at boot time, disable. Make sure though, NOT to disable your security apps, as they typically update at startup, some like MBAM Pro, is on a delayed start, to minimize impact at this crucial time.

One thing that often overlooked, is physical memory (RAM). If one is running a 64 bit OS, & say like 3GB is installed, but the MB will hold 8GB (many of today's computers will), fill the slots to the max. Shop for discounts on this, Newegg often has quality RAM kits on promo. To see how much installed RAM is in the system, as well as what it will hold, run Crucial's memory scanner. There's no obligation to buy from them, but they do guarantee 100% compatibility or return shipping/replacement is on their dime.

Use the Crucial System Scanner software to find out what type of memory is in your computer (http://www.crucial.com/systemscanner/)

And if one can run 8GB RAM, then a 11+GB Swap file isn't needed. Mine was set at over 8GB, & Windows was suggesting over 11GB. I have mine (on my notebook) set to a minimum of 2048 & max of 2560 (2.5GB), I've yet to have a warning that I'm low on virtual memory. Having a 64GB "C" partition, that's just too much to waste on this.

One last thing, & this can affect performance if infected, use Windows Defender to do Full Scans of your computer once a week. As well as installing the free version of MBAM & doing a Full Scan at least once every two weeks. An infected computer does more than compromise security, it slows the system to a crawl eventually.

Stay away from the snake oil that's sold, like registry cleaners/boosters, internet "optimizers", these things are a waste of money. The user's ISP has the internet connection optimized for the speeds being paid for. Some of these companies promises, & the key words are "up to" 3x the current (paid for) speed. In reality, there's little gain, & where there is, it's on downloads, using their download manager.

Stick with proven tweaks, & if there are questions, please post. We're here to help.

Cat

TechnoMage
07-13-2012, 04:47 AM
I had tried Easy Cleaner in the past with less than admirable results. Perhaps it's time to take a look again. I have had great success with CCleaner on several PC's so I am not sure what your problem might have been. But anyway I will take another look at Easy Cleaner.

I'm not sure what "less than admirable results" means. If you were looking for a 100% increase in speed, , NO it probably didn't do that. It's an OLD program..... over ten years, I think. But it does exactly what you tell it to do.
Click on Remove MRU's and it removes MRU's. Tell it to remove "Unnecessary Files" and it does that. And you can pick the type of Unnecessary files that it removes. It really does nothing that you don't tell it to do. It's much nicer than either of my two (past) wives.:rolleyes:

I've used "Easy Cleaner" to help me clean up literally hundreds of PC's, of every brand, type, and age, running every OS since '98.
Not once has it ever corrupted or disabled any PC. However, the old version did have a problem dealing with the weird file structure and registry structure of Windows 7. So they re-wrote the program to make it compatible.
I like to say that if Easy Cleaner is going to error, then it will error on the side of caution, leaving some file or registry entry that may be OK to remove, but also might cause a problem if removed.

It's absolutely OK, if no-one else wants to use it. I will!
I know that many users have flamed me for saying that CCleaner trashed my PC....Twice, but that's just my own experience. Experience talks and BS walks.

No matter what anyone wants to use, it should always be done with Care. Lots of CARE!

Well, it's TGIF day again, and I hope y'all have a great weekend.

TechnoMage :cool:

Medico
07-13-2012, 06:43 AM
I think though that any Maintenance scenario needs to be more than running a single app, because no single maintenance app is a catch all for everything. That's why we all use a variety of methods, all of which have been alluded to throughout these forums, to perform these necessary chores.

For the original OP, I will say again, there is NO magic wand to clean your PC. Figure out a scenario that works for you using any of the methods discussed here or elsewhere to assist with this, then stick to it.

TechnoMage
07-13-2012, 04:22 PM
WELL, I guess my customers are a lot luckier than those reading this forum, because I set up everything for them and even give them a book of instructions on exactly what to do and when to do it, to keep their PC clean of Malware and junk free and running at peak performance.

It doesn't take some Magic Bullet! It just takes someone who is willing to follow instructions and do what needs to be done on a regular schedule.

TM :cool:

Medico
07-13-2012, 04:41 PM
Exactly. Do a little research, read the threads contained herein and set up a method that works, then stick with it.

TechnoMage
09-28-2012, 03:50 AM
These programs, "As Seen On TV" are nothing but 'Snake Oil', false, phoney, bogus and a scam.

I do Computer Tune Ups for a living and have for a very long time and I can assure anyone, that there is NO one program that's going to completely Tune Up your PC.

It takes a well trained person, a couple of hours to do the whole job, at least the way I do it. Success or failure is all in the details.

Cheers Mates!
TechnoMage :cool:

Drew
09-28-2012, 04:01 PM
'sbanhoy'

Here is your answer:
http://www.forumswindows8.com/tutorials/suggested-best-practices-5411.htm

Follow the above & YOU look after your machine not, (rely on) some single magic elixir.

Cheers,
Drew
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Medico
09-28-2012, 04:12 PM
I am not sure why this thread was closed. There still seems to be new info and discussion on going. Reopened.

Drew
09-28-2012, 04:40 PM
Never (had ever) noticed it to be closed. There was never any reason for anyone to have closed it.

Cheers,
Drew
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catilley1092
09-28-2012, 09:13 PM
There has been great advice in this thread, not only to the OP, but all of us, to put to use. Over time, we learn new things, & tend to forget about tried & true older ones that still has a place with today's Windows. Most of these older & proven tips still works today. This thread should serve as a reminder of practical tips for "tune up" purposes.

In addition to what's already been stated, keeping drivers up to date, in most instances (be sure to create a Restore Point beforehand) helps. Occasionally, a new driver will give troubles, if so, roll back to the previous one. This can be done via System Restore or in the Device Manager.

Though it's very important to defrag a new install or computer, the built in defrag in Windows 8 (& 7) also can be set on auto pilot, it will run weekly, or as needed. Too much defragging can cause premature wear on HDD's, & SSD users must totally disable the feature, there's absolutely no need for it. Some 3rd party defrag software also causes more harm than good, so if one isn't sure, please ask before using.

No matter the brand, keep your security software up to date & run scheduled scans. Many brands, some of which are free, now offer an option to shut down the computer after successful run & quarantine/deletion of threats. This makes bedtime an excellent time for most to run this important Full scan at least 2 times a week, with scheduled short scans daily.

I also have to agree with those in this thread that has stated that these "as shown on TV" deals, are just that. A scam that's shown on TV. How many times have we seen all of these fantastic "get rich quick" schemes, oftentimes involving real estate sales (now a all but dead profession), & the author wanting to sell cassette tapes/CD set $99 (originally $249)? Most of us has seen them at least once in our lifetimes & some may have even considered the idea (I did). But they're scams, & the ones making money (these days in particular) are the authors of such.

These now also states "as shown on TV". When one sees that statement, take it with a grain of salt & go on, all they're looking for is your money. The same with "Free Download" or "Free Scan" for computer errors by many scammers. The results may vary from scan to scan, some reporting several thousand "critical" or "potentially fatal" errors in the registry. Ignore them & use CCleaner's registry cleaner, making sure to backup the deleted entries, preferably in a folder on a separate partition, or USB Flash drive. It's Free & simple to use.

Follow the advice given in this thread, & you'll have a smooth running computer, provided your hardware is in good condition. Speaking of which, cleaning the interior of your computer, getting rid of accumulated dust, is just as (if not more so) important than OS cleaning. An OS can be reinstalled for free with a recovery partition/recovery disks/other media.

That accumulated build up of dust & grime acts as a heat insulator over time, which is the main reason that as a computer gets older, it runs hotter. Desktops or Tower PC's are especially prone to this when set on the carpet, not only is it drawing in dust, the vents are also blocked, some eventually becoming clogged closed after years of sitting in the same place for years. A good cleaning (tutorials are all over the Forum) will make these run much cooler, & adds years to service life. The machine is designed to run at a given temp range, running over the upper limits for long periods can cause much damage.

And yet many will still blame the OEM for bulging or leaking capacitors, though they never once cleaned it. Sure, some were defective from the factory, but others were neglected. Heat is very damaging. Cleaning is necessary, even many owner's manual states this. Some will state to take it to a pro/service center for this, but a novice can do the same, provided care is taken.

Though this applies to all computer users, for notebook or "laptop" users, this needs to be done more frequently, depending on the environment it's in. If used in a dusty one, it's good to do so yearly. These devices, having less internal room, tends to get packed with dust quicker. The first sign, as with desktops, is running hotter. If it gets too hot after hard, heavy use, this may cause a BSOD, when the max heat range of the CPU is reached. Continued use if this happens will certainly lead to hardware failure, too many items to list here.

Cat

Drew
09-28-2012, 10:01 PM
Geeez, Cat, your fingers must get sore (wink, wink). You make some fine points. I swear, somewhere, not long ago, I spelled out in great detail about cleaning dust & dirt out of PCs & not having towers on carpet.

And maybe it was another forum where we orated @ length about those bloody fast.com & cleanmypc.com crap.

I tend to set security to daily (nightly) Full scans. Keeping all things up to date is critical.

I do believe most is covered in the 'Best Practices" article.

I gotta say something about Defrag... Vista forward, it's wkly, by default which, is just fine. It's auto, leave it be. But, what many do not realise in the, "Well, mercy me & to think I just defragged!" (shocked look of disbelief)... defrag FIXES NOTHING; it just tidies up a bit. It is not a cure-all.

Cheers,
Drew
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catilley1092
09-28-2012, 10:44 PM
No, defrag isn't a cure all, it may help to speed up things a few milliseconds, if the drive isn't in too bad shape. If the user allows for the default options for this, there's no need to be worried.

Unless one needs to shrink a partition, that's the issue when I need my defrag tool (Perfect Disk, a paid one), there's an option to "Prep for Shrink". There's also the Boot Time defrag, that runs within Windows and can perform certain operations, that's defragging the system & page files. These provide a more noticeable improvement than a standard defrag does (except the one for new installs/computer).

While it's true, as Drew pointed out, some are repeats of prior ones, these are also the ones that users needs to be reminded of the most. Most everyone that I know has their PC tower on the floor, on carpet at that. Some, I tell them it's not good to do, they listen, others says it's ran fine this way for years, why fix what isn't broken?

I drop the subject on that one, at some point, they'll realize what I stated. Or I hope so anyway.

Cat

TechnoMage
09-29-2012, 03:44 AM
A badly fragmented HD can really slow down a system. It's for that reason that Microsoft puts a defrag program in every version of Windows. Back in the DOS days, I used a defrag program from Central Point Software, called "Compress".
Keeping a HD DE-Fragmented can't help but maintain good performance.

I never run defrag, but when I do my weekly backup, I do an immediate Restore, which re-writes the entire data portion of the drive, putting all the files end to end like cars on a train, with no spaces between and of course, NO Fragmentation. Your own results may vary, depending on what backup program you use and how you use it.

Computers sitting on the floor are just a disaster waiting to happen. Bump or kick the tower while the HD is writing data can cause a Head Crash or at least data can be lost.
Then there's the DIRT factor. Every time to move your feet, while sitting at the computer, a small cloud of dust is stirred up and where does it go? Well, the fans in the PC will suck that dust right into the tower. Then it jams up in the CPU cooler, Video cooler and power supply.
No other electronic device in the home is ever set on the floor, so why set the most highly technical device in the home on the floor? That's just plain #$&%!

I really hate it, when I take a service call on a PC that's sitting on the floor or even Under the desk.
I have to get down on the floor, like a rug rat, just to plug in my Utilities Flash Drive. I'm getting too old and stiff for that crap!

My favorite story: I used to take care of a PC for a man who lived about 35 or so miles away.
It was a long ways to drive, but he was a nice guy and always paid in cash. His PC sat on the floor next to his computer desk and I had told him repeatedly to "Get it up off the floor". The last time I went there, I was sitting at the PC and the man's little dog came up and raised his leg to Pee on the front of the tower. I gave him a swift kick and sent him scurrying for cover. The next time that man called for service, I told him I'd retired and would not be making that trip anymore.
I have no problem fixing computers, but...........
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g90/DrWho1943/Computer%20Stuff/fix-1.jpg

Can we close this topic now? We've said what needs to be said.

TM :cool:

catilley1092
09-29-2012, 09:22 AM
There's lots of good info in this thread, an occasional bump of it, with a newer idea, should be given. New users sees a locked thread & assumes it's of no value. We need members to see this thread, some may learn something new, as in how to care for their computer.

This thread is of great value, with several members contributing great tips.

No, one cannot fix stupid, that's for sure.

Cat

Drew
09-29-2012, 10:38 AM
Cat,

I'm sorry I meant to include that reminding (repeating) people of things is 'all good'.

And, yes, the basic point is things run better/quicker if & when they are neat & tidy (after & from Defrag) but, there are people who think it fixes 'problems'... not just frees up space or makes the machine less 'confused' or not having to work so hard to find its way or accomplish tasks.

The other thing I forgot was to tell you a funny anecdote from a Microsoft Conference I once attended... Presenter asked the huge audience how many people Defrag @ the end & as part of a new build (for a customer) which, they were saying was a 'Best Practice' and only 1 person put up their hand, ME, @ which point they pointed @ me from the stage & said, "Drew is correct!". I think I won a door prize for that 1, lol.

And if people give me that, "Why? It's been that way for years..." thing... I just tell them, cus it picks up static electricity, like rubbing a balloon on a carpet & then it sticks to a wall & then they go, "Ah, ok." OR I just don't 'argue' & just put something under it no matter what they say & interestingly enough they go along w/ it.

Cheers,
Drew
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TechnoMage
09-30-2012, 04:19 PM
Going back years before there was such a thing as Windows, there were programmers like Peter Norton writing programs to Defrag a hard drive. There was also "Central Point Software" that wrote a better program to defrag a hard drive, called "Compress". About the time that Defrag showed up in MS Dos, Central Point Software disappeared from the scene. Leaving many of us to speculate that Microsoft had bought them out.
Not only the Compress program but also their Backup program wound up in MS DOS. Some, so-called experts deny that MS bought those programs, but I'll have my own opinions of that till the day I die.

If defragmenting a hard drive was not necessary, so many man hours would not have been sacrificed to write Defrag programs.
But here's a challenge..... tell me of a Defrag program that will leave a HD looking like this.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g90/DrWho1943/Computer%20Stuff/DarkDefrag-1.jpg

This was my own HD after doing a Ghost Backup, followed immediately by a Ghost Restore. It's the way I do my own defrags.

Cheers Mates!
TechnoMage :cool:

catilley1092
09-30-2012, 07:48 PM
Defrag is important, & I won't minimize that. So much, that I have a Paid, Professional app on Windows 7 (Perfect Disk Pro, $39.99 Lifetime, 1PC) to handle this for me. It's totally automated to defrag twice a week, or if by chance fragmentation falls outside of the built in defaults. Even if it doesn't need a defrag on these days, Sunday & Thursday, it analyses & gives me a disk report. This report includes whether or not I need to perform a boot time defrag, an item that cannot be performed inside of Windows. This defrags the page & system files, which has a noticeable impact on speed.

That pic that's showing above is absolutely perfect, thing is, only one in 100,000 (or less) can produce those results. Plus there's a difference between the FAT32 & NTFS file systems, no OS above XP should be running on that type of partition. Even recovery partitions are now NTFS, used to be a small FAT32 on a NTFS drive. Still, it's beautiful.

Yes, many man hours has been contributed to writing defrag apps, thing is, some of them are unsafe & can cause more problems than anything. Loss of System Restore points is often caused by poorly designed 3rd party defrag apps, like Auglogics Disk Defrag, & their Pro version isn't better. One should very carefully choose a 3rd party defrag app, if the built in Windows one isn't desired. Read reviews before choosing.

It's also inadvisable to defrag backup drives, due to potential data loss. If each backup was in good shape (defrag & scanned for viruses/malware) before the backup was taken, then as TM stated, it should restore good. A mass picture of 20+ backups on a 2TB (or larger) backup drive can easily lead to false results, as well as mass contamination of every backup on it, if defragmented. Leave these alone. I don't run virus scans on these drives, either.

Peter Norton, was indeed a great software writer (there's a HUGE demand for his stuff). The Norton Ghost offerings of today are a joke, I got a promo email from Newegg last week, Norton Ghost was Free after MIR ($49.99 - $29.99 instant discount - $20.00 MIR = Free). Many reviewers said that it was junk & that it had been years since Ghost was a great app, though a few also stated it was fine. Still, two out of five possible eggs, out of thousands of reviewers, isn't good.

Money bought Peter Norton out, though he should have stipulated that his name not be on the product line, as it's been long defamed. Oh well, if he's rich, he probably doesn't even care.

Cat