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coryport
06-26-2012, 11:25 PM
Hi all,

I have a laptop PC with windows 8 release preview. I refreshed it. After refresh, all my programs were isolated in a folder. The problem now is that I cannot shutdown my pc because all the manufacturer programs were isolated.

Can someone please teach me how to undo the refresh in window 8.?

Thank you.

Medico
06-27-2012, 03:10 AM
You cannot undue this refresh. Your best bet at this point is to reinstall all apps. If you had read the warning of refresh you would have seen that this would happen.

You could also reinstall the entire OS. this should clear the original problem as well since your original problem was due to an Upgrade attempt rather than a Clean Install.

threeone
06-27-2012, 10:04 PM
Using Refresh will restore the system to the same condition as when it was first installed, before you installed all of your programs/apps. This cannot be undone. You will need to reinstall the programs that were removed.

catilley1092
06-28-2012, 07:02 PM
This is why I found that a Reset is a better option. It's basically doing a re-install, formatting the "C" drive & the user ends up with a fresh install of 8 RP. But it's not really a timesaver over a clean install, in fact, seemed to take longer.

I had an issue once that a Refresh couldn't fix, so I've never used it again.

Still, none of these options are as good as doing a backup (disk image) after installing, updating & installing key programs (like Office 2007/2010). Restoring this is far less time consuming than Refresh, Reset or a Clean Install is. And it doesn't need babysitting, once the process is started, it'll be there waiting when you get back.

Cat

Medico
06-29-2012, 03:02 AM
Good point Cat. Making an Image is so easy, and gives the best restore option there is. It restores the OS to the exact point it was created in about 10 minutes depending on the size. If the data is stored separately (on a different partition) it is not touched by this restore.

The one caveat is that if you have your OS and data all on one partition, you have to back your data up separately from your images as you would only create an image when the OS changes, or you add or remove apps (I always keep my images up to date when I make changes). You don't want your data out of date if you restore your image.

catilley1092
06-29-2012, 11:03 AM
That is why I learned long ago to keep my data on a partition of it's own, & backed up more often than the OS. My downloads, documents, pictures & any other items of importance goes to that partition, where there are folders for each.

These Data partitions, I have 2 backups of, on different HDD's in case of failure. One doesn't have to do the physical act of backing up twice, but copy the backup image to another HDD. Items of the utmost of importance, like tax filing info, is also copied to a DVD & placed into my safe deposit box at the bank each year.

While I do consider it important to backup the OS for quick recovery, I consider it 10 times more important to backup data, therefore the multiple copies.

Cat

TechnoMage
07-07-2012, 08:28 AM
Old Timers, like me, learned ages ago, to do whole-partition backups at least once a week. That way you have everything that was on the C: drive, OS, programs, drivers, data, EVERYTHING in a single, compressed, backup file.
Then when you do a restore, everything is exactly like it was when you did the backup.

My only exception to this rule, is that I have a batch file that will back up all my data files to a second partition anytime I run it. I can do that daily and it only takes a few seconds, since it only copies files that are new or have been changed since the last backup.
I'm currently doing this daily backup to a 16gig flash drive, permanently installed in a USB port.
So if I get lazy or forgetful and don't do a whole partition backup for a week or two, I still have all my data files safe and secure.

Play SAFE!

TM :cool:

Medico
07-07-2012, 08:45 AM
I also have my data on a separate data partition, and back up regularly to 2 other PC's. We have a second laptop and a Desktop PC that we use for backups.

TechnoMage
07-07-2012, 08:56 AM
A very old and famous saying of mine....."the only bad backup is the one you either decided not to make or were to lazy to make".
All other backups are GOOD! (to a point)

However, when lightning hits your house, it can erase any and ALL magnetically stored data.
A DVD is the only media that it can't delete. But remember, that DVD's are plastic and they burn quite well.
So if your life it stored on DVD's, make sure that they are in a Fireproof place.

Cheers Mates!
TM :cool:

catilley1092
07-07-2012, 07:32 PM
And make sure that any backup drives are unplugged after use. If the backup drive isn't being powered, then the chance of lightning damage/power surges greatly decreases, though it's not 100% eliminated. Static is always a possibility, no matter what.

One of the best places to keep backup drives safe is inside of an insulated cooler (like a 48 quart party cooler). The insulation should shield it from most threats. But nothing is foolproof. If lightning hits hard enough, the whole house can burn down. Make sure that if you need to hastily exit, get those backup drives, any cash or jewelery & get out.

The good thing, is that since I've been using backup drives, that I've never had one (the actual HDD inside) go bad due to this. But I've had the electronics in the enclosure go out on me, for this reason, I prefer to build my own.

Cat

coryport
07-08-2012, 10:21 PM
Thanks for kind answers. I have reinstalled the windows system. I will chose reset next time, not refresh PC.

Medico
07-09-2012, 03:26 AM
Both these apps have their place. As we have said, Imaging is an even better option than Rest or Refresh IMO.

catilley1092
07-09-2012, 09:20 PM
Imaging is a far better option than any of the alternatives. Right now, 8 CP can be clean installed, reset (though I question the difference between a reset & a clean install) & refreshed in a short time. I question the reset because it does take longer than a clean install, it requires the install DVD (so does a Refresh), it requires the same procedures/user input as a Clean Install does.

Though at the present time, either of the above options, including installing apps, doesn't take that long now, it will take some time a year after Retail availability.

For these reasons & more, an Image is the way to go. Do one right after Windows is installed/updated & any key apps, such as Office 2007/2010 is activated & all updates applied. Do not install any unneeded software at this time. Perform a Full Disk Image of this install, it should take just a few minutes, even at USB2 speeds.

Until this beta OS becomes Retail, I'm backing up more often. Drivers are continually being updated, which is good, but it's a fact that some causes BSOD's, like the wireless driver that I had on CP that worked perfectly. Had to hide the update due to this issue.

Once it does become Retail, I'm clean installing & doing a Full Disk Image of the 1st round of updating, & Office 2010 activation/updating. There is SP1 for Office 2010, this along with the other updates takes time. This 1st image, which I'll retain as long as I run the OS, will always be my "fresh install" point.

Then, every month, before Update Tuesday, I image my computers as described above. Like say, if a bad update/program that cannot be removed is causing issues, the last one can be reverted back to in mere minutes.

Speaking of which, just a couple of days ago, I posted a Workstation backup program that's 100% Free, it's just one version back. Still, that Bootable CD will allow a backup to be done outside of Windows, which is better. Plus, with this CD, the program doesn't even have to be installed, just once to burn the CD. There's also an option to create the CD image, I done so & have saved it to 4 Flash drives for future use. This Backup app will serve me for a couple of years.

http://www.forumswindows8.com/installation-setup/todo-workstation-4-0-free-limited-time-7054.htm

Get it while it's Free, & save at least 3 or 4 copies of it. No license key is required, just as the prior Todo products that I won in giveaways. Todo 4.0 is feature rich, one of the best on the market. Probably in the top 10 anyway, as Acronis TI continues to slip in customer ratings with each release.

The download still works, as I just got it again. Note that it's a large one, but it's worth the extra space for how good it is.

Cat