I like two antivirus program, Kaspersky and Advanced Sytemcare Antivirus 2012. But I can't able to install both of them on my Windows 8. I need to uninstall one before I can install another. :confused: any suggestions? Which one is better for Windows 8?

You should never install more than one AV app to run in real time. They tend to interfere with each other and cause false positives. I have read that Kaspersky has not been updated yet for this BETA OS.

Be advised that Win 8 CP is a BETA OS and will deactivate shortly after the next BETA OS, Win 8 RP is released in early June. Win 8 RP will require a clean install.

Win 8 CP comes with a AV/AM already installed and enabled. It's called Windows Defender and it's quite good.

Kaspersky does have a Windows 8 CP compatible IS, but still, it's not advisable to run 2 AV/IS suites at a time. There's going to be a lot of problems, mainly false positives. As well as missing threats.

One AV is enough. Windows 8 CP ships with Windows Defender, which is supposed to be all-in-one protection, but at least have another scanner installed, such as MBAM, to catch the really nasty stuff that even the best of AV/IS suites misses. And run an online scanner once a month, to make sure Windows Defender (or any other security app) is doing it's job. I highly recommend the ESET Online Scanner for this task. It's a potent scanner, & the results can be trusted.

ESET :: Get a FREE Online Virus Scan (http://www.eset.com/us/online-scanner/)

For best results, run this from IE. More advanced scanning results are available running from IE.

Best of Luck,
Cat

I stand corrected on Kaspersky, this may have change since the article I read, it has been a while.

Two AV apps running in real time are definitely bad though. If a different AV is installed, the native AV app, WD, will be disabled so that only one AV app is running. This will be done automatically.

Ted, if, I may reword what you said... 2 AVs simultaneously is not just "definitely bad", it is absolutely taboo!

And, my own, personal recommendation & I will tell my clients the same... MS has handed Folks an excellent AV/AM product, native to the OS & ON, by default. Couldn't be any easier. Don't look a gift-horse in the mouth, is my advice. No need to replace this w/ something else OR "If, it ain't broke, don't fix it." OR just leave well enough alone.

IMHO as an IT Pro

Cheers,
Drew

Mariah lavigne, welcome to the forum!

Regardless of the brand, it's not advisable to have 2 AV/IS suites installed at the same time. They will only bump heads, cause more false positives, possibly even allow viruses/malware to get through, & finally, run a lot of system resources.

I'm not going to tell anyone what to run, as we all have our preferences. Some of us has used the same brand of protection for years, and as long as it isn't broken, why fix it?

On the other hand, if one has no personal preference, give Windows Defender a shot, it's free, & better than MSE 4 (however a new MSE beta is already in the works, I have it on XP Mode). Once Windows 8 RP is released, I will use WD, but I'll be watching it very closely, & will also be tracking it's progress at AV-Comparatives, but that will take some time.

Kind of in line with the subject, wasn't Windows Defender also shipped with Windows 7, just not pushed as a feature?

Cat

Cat,

WD, prior to Win8 was only anti-malware. & there was, also, MSE that was AV. The WD shipping w/ Win8 is both AV 7& AM.

Cheers,
Drew

That was the problem with MSE & still is, then. Because once MSE is installed, WD's anti-malware protection was gone. Hopefully, with Windows 7 & below, the issue won't be fixed. These users can only hope that the next MSE (the beta that I'm running on XP Mode) will be similar to WD of Windows 8.

If not, the AV/IS industry is still quite alive for a while yet. While many sources cites MSE as a leading security download, some of the same also rates it mid-level protection at best. Here's the latest AV-Comparatives report on MSE & it's competition. Note that MSE was only granted one award, a Silver for less false positives, and had only one ADV+ mark in the summary. On the other hand, all nine of Kaspersky's were ADV+.

http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/summary/summary2011.pdf

AV-Comparatives is a company that has no commercial (as in monetary) interests in any of the participating vendors, and therefore could call it straight down the middle. There are others that ranks security products, but those by sites like PC World & many other similar sites, gets paid for ads, & this could influence the outcome of their rankings. By human nature, a vendor who pays for a full back cover ad is certainly going to get a better ranking than one who places smaller ads in a corner.

It will be interesting to see how WD will rank on AV-Comparatives list, when that occurs, & hopefully they'll separate the results from MSE to distinguish between the two. Being that Windows 8 will be Retail this year, by the time of their yearly testing in 2013, WD will have a full year on the market, & could be listed.

Cat

MSE includes both AV and AM, and that is why when MSE is installed in Win 7 or XP it disables WD (which includes only AM on Win 7 and XP).

WD in Win 8 does indeed include both AV and AM similar to MSE. MSE is at V4 (on Win 7 and XP) while WD is presently at V6 (on Win 8 CP).

Cat I had not heard yet of another beta version of MSE. Good to know.

There's an echo in here ;) :D

ECHO, ECho, Echo, echo... just for further emphasis. There are so many people that just don't read what we write that perhaps repeating ourselves may actually get through to a few.

We should start them off slowly & gradually w/ "See Dick run." before going full bore into talking IT. In grade 1 they made us read the same chapter over & over 'til everyone understood what "See Dick run" actually meant. The irony or interesting part is, in Grade 1 we never did put in more than 1 AV or wiped out our OS w/ a beta. Ergo, maybe, repeating will, indeed, pay off, now, too. And, as Churchill said, "We shall never surrender."

Cheers,
Drew

MSE includes both AV and AM, and that is why when MSE is installed in Win 7 or XP it disables WD (which includes only AM on Win 7 and XP).

WD in Win 8 does indeed include both AV and AM similar to MSE. MSE is at V4 (on Win 7 and XP) while WD is presently at V6 (on Win 8 CP).

Cat I had not heard yet of another beta version of MSE. Good to know. Here it is, although it's possible that you'll need a MS Connect account to obtain them.

Greetings from Microsoft Connect!

Thank you so much for being a part of the recent Microsoft Security Essentials Beta. You have indicated that you are interested in receiving invites for Connect programs from Microsoft, so we would like to invite you to participate in the Microsoft Security Essentials Pre-Release program on Connect.

Do you want to always run the latest and greatest version of Microsoft Security Essentials? Are you passionate about the opportunity to impact the next versions of the product?

"We are starting a new program for users who sign-up to receive pre-release versions of Security Essentials on an ongoing basis. If you join this program, you will receive the latest version of Security Essentials before it is released to the public. At any point of time you can choose to unregister from the program on the Connect site to stop receiving pre-release versions.Since you have already registered with Connect make sure to sign in with your existing registered Windows Live ID account to use this invitation."



So far, so good what little I have ran it. I also ran the current MSE 4 Beta from November until release, & before that, MSE 2. I signed up for these invitations to test MSE, as I'm a security beta tester, as well as a Windows 8 CP one. Not only do I test for MS, but also ESET (NOD32 & Smart Security 6), F-Secure, Webroot (Windows). And will soon be beta testing NOD32 & AVG for Linux.

I've been a beta tester for security companies since 2009. Some times I get a year's subscription for my efforts.

PS: My original link to the software itself didn't work, as it required a sign in with a Windows Live ID. But part of the email sent to me has been copied & pasted.

Cat

Hi all, sorry for my late back.

Thank you so much for your suggestions and I've deleted all antivirus programs from my computer. Everything is OK now.

Mariah,

ALL?????? :eek: What??? :confused: You can't go w/ nothing. Please, have MSE on your machine. Do not leave yourself w/ no protection.

IF, you have left your machine w/ no security then, everything is very much NOT ok now.

Cheers,
Drew

But Ted said " Win 8 CP comes with a AV/AM already installed and enabled. It's called Windows Defender and it's quite good."???

Ah, ok. Now, I get what you were meaning, Pheeeeeeeew. Sorry, the way you worded it, that didn't come across, @ all, @ least, not to me. Yes, certainly, if you took everything else out & left Win8 w/ Windows Defender that's spot on, perfect. Ted's statement is correct.

Cheers,
Drew

Yes, when you uninstall all 3rd party AV apps, WD will automatically re-enable itself.

Hi all, sorry for my late back.

Thank you so much for your suggestions and I've deleted all antivirus programs from my computer. Everything is OK now. Hopefully you have another computer to install that Kaspersky license on, shame to pay for superior protection (Kaspersky was AV-Comparatives 2011 Product of the Year) & not use it.

That being said, Windows Defender has so far received excellent reviews, & I'll use it when Windows 8 RP comes out in June. I beta test security software for different corporations by invitation, including MS, so I know some of what to be looking for in WD.

Glad that all is OK now.

Cat

The whole idea of TESTING a new OS, is not to set it up as your daily driver, but to see what works with it and what doesn't.

So with TESTING in mind, I don't take what comes with Win-8, but I throw everything in the book at it and see what sticks, just like people out there in the real world will do next fall, when Win-8 hits the stores, right before Christmas.

So I fall back on what I know works with XP, Vista, Win-7, etc.
I first Install AVG 2012 Internet Security, then I install 'Malware Bytes' and finally 'Trojan Hunter', all set to run in real time. They work GREAT together and provide protection far superior to any one program or Suite.
All three can be set to update and scan every day, on schedule.

I also use Spybot Search & Destroy and Spyware Blaster, which do not run in real time, but provide greatly improved protection against adware and spyware.

Once a week, I go through each program and make sure they are up to date and that scans have been run. It's MY PC and its security is MY responsibility, (no-one else's) so I make sure everything gets done.

Security suites have come and gone. Norton tried it and failed miserably. McAfee tried it and failed miserably.
Others have made great claims that they can provide 100% protection and they too fail miserably.

I pick my Security Partners very carefully and I always remain 100% malware free.

But don't just grab two AV programs off the shelf and install them to run at the same time and expect them not to interfere with one another.

Cheers Mates, and Good Luck!

TechnoMage :cool:

It's good to know that I'm not the only one who doesn't run the default Windows Defender here. While I do agree that MS has presented all Genuine Windows users from XP forward an AV to use, free of charge, & that it's a great thing, some users will never be convinced that Free is better than a quality paid for security app.

I'm one of those users. I buy a 3 PC subscription to ESET Smart Security 5 for $29.99, on those 3 PC's, I have a total of 12 Windows OS installs on these 3 PC, making that a cost of 2.50 yearly per install. That's not free, but that's mighty low cost IMO. Also, I never buy direct from ESET, I always catch a deal, it may be an older version, but once the first install is activated, I get a small installer file to do update that one & install on all the others.

Another thing, I can buy it while on promo months in advance from resellers like Newegg, & the first day of my license begins the day I activate the software, versus buying direct from ESET, & my license begins on that date, as well as another $100 spent. I never pay full price for quality software, security or other programs.

However, back on topic, it's not a wise thing to do to install two anti-virus programs on the same OS. The two will bump heads & can cause a lot of problems, one of which is very high resource usage. Another is false alarms. One can add programs such as MBAM, SAS, Spyware Blaster, this is called multi-layered protection, & every computer user should have an extra scanner to hunt down the things that the main AV/IS suite doesn't catch. But not two AV/IS suites, no way.

Cat