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poveretto
03-06-2014, 01:59 PM
Dear Community,
Could you please help me with the following problem. I have a Toshiba laptop and Windows 8.1 operating system. When I click on the Internet Explorer tile on the Start page, either the latest accessed application's webpage is displayed, or an error message saying that the website address not found. Therefore if I want to access a webpage, I cannot enter its address in the address bar of Internet Explorer. instead I hold down the Microsoft Logo and press s for search. I works, but I do not understand the contradiction between the error message and the fact that internet Explorer is actually working.
Thank you,
poveretto

TechnoMage
03-06-2014, 06:12 PM
Do all your work like that from the Desktop, not from the Metro screen and you'll have no more problems.

In many ways, Windows 8.1 Metro, is not quite ready for prime time.... so to speak.

I get along just find with 8.1, because I run the Classic Shell which boots right to the Desktop and I don't have to deal with the metro screen at all, with all it's idiosyncrasies. Try it!

TM :cool:

Drew
03-08-2014, 11:31 AM
"I get along just find with 8.1, because I run the Classic Shell which boots right to the Desktop"

In Windows 8.1 there is no need for Classic Shell to accomplish this. Rt Clk on the Taskbar > Properties > Navigation (tab)... there one finds a check box for the option to have the OS boot directly to the Desktop... it's (now) built into the OS natively, no need for adding 3rd Party stuff to have this ability.

And, yes, use IE from the Desktop not, the IE APP from the Start screen.

Cheers,
Drew
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badrobot
03-08-2014, 03:35 PM
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In Windows 8.1 there is no need for Classic Shell to accomplish this.

If someone likes the desktop, that means he wants the Start Menu. And I think that is the reason why the Classic Shell was installed.

Here's one fun feature of the Classic Shell, custom animated Start Menu button ... :)

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Drew
03-08-2014, 04:11 PM
Maybe I & my clients are good examples, maybe not but, the following is merely to clarify not, to argue...

"If someone likes the desktop, that means he wants the Start Menu."

I like the Desktop to the point the I spend 100% of my time there yet, it does not make me need or want a 3rd Party or old type of start menu unnecessary added to the OS.

One can access everything very nicely & easily whilst on Desktop w/out such an add-on to the OS.

There are a couple of little things can facilitate this even more...
1. Employ the Desktop Toolbar
2. Use a window on the Taskbar to access (ALL) Applications.

As an aside, I had 99.9% quit using the (old style) start button/menu long before Windows 8.0 had even materialized.

Cheers,
Drew
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badrobot
03-08-2014, 04:25 PM
Maybe I & my clients are good examples, maybe not but, the following is merely to clarify not, to argue...

"If someone likes the desktop, that means he wants the Start Menu."

I like the Desktop to the point the I spend 100% of my time there yet, it does not make me need or want a 3rd Party or old type of start menu unnecessary added to the OS.

One can access everything very nicely & easily whilst on Desktop w/out such an add-on to the OS.

There are a couple of little things can facilitate this even more...
1. Employ the Desktop Toolbar
2. Use a window on the Taskbar to access (ALL) Applications.

As an aside, I had 99.9% quit using the (old style) start button/menu long before Windows 8.0 had even materialized.

Cheers,
Drew
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The big difference Drew is that you are an IT guy and you are OBLIGED to learn these things. People come to ask you questions and you should have a ready answer. Not only by colleagues but all the people around you who knows what you do for a living. You spend your life in front of the PC fixing and figuring out stuffs. And you get paid for it. We casual users don't really care. If someone asks us about navigating around Win 8 we also have a ready answer, the Classic Shell. You have the knowledge, we have the Classic Shell. Simple as that. Even without knowing everything about Win 8, I still get paid in 6 digits. So, personally, I don't regret donating to Classic Shell devs.

This is just an opinion. Not an invitation for argument.

Drew
03-08-2014, 06:06 PM
I agree. And as an IT Pro who went into the business because I like helping people...

I gave the 2 tips I did and I can offer any amount of insight into using Win8, even w/out adding 3rd Party things. Sure, one can, it's not, actually, really, necessary.

So, to be helpful, I am always ready to answer questions, show & explain things about Win8 & using it.

I, too, have a "ready answer". Takes me about as much time answer the basics of using Win8 as it does to install a 3rd Party thing. The only point is one ,certainly, can add such things but, the OS can, also, be used well w/out them. That's all. Just people should be aware of the fact there BOTH choices exist.

Some have been lead to believe 3rd party start things must be added. Important they that is not the case.

Yes I am an IT guy but, one whose ready answer is to always be willing to offer insight & advice to anyone keen to listen. (That's meant 'in general'; I am not thinking you are not keen to listen to me)

Also, bear in mind, most of the people I help, clients or otherwise, are not, necessarily, all that computer savvy. Yet, I can, still, have them understanding & enjoying Win8 very quickly. And, really, that's one reason forums like this exist & have value.

I appreciate what you are saying but, still there is choice, that's all between a very few bits of knowledge and adding something the OS doesn't, truly need.

Interestingly enough, I see people asking questions about various 3rd Party start things or coming to the Forum discussing problems w/ them. I'm just trying to, @ least first, answer questions & discuss issues about the OS, itself.

Cheers,
Drew
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badrobot
03-08-2014, 06:21 PM
Don't get me wrong Drew, I am sure a lot of people appreciate those tips you share. So, just carry on. My point is, 3rd party apps are created for a reason just as MS has their own reason for taking the start menu away. As long as the 3rd party app works as intended, some of us can skip the learning curve. I just personally find the classic shell much easier TO LEARN that what MS did with Win 8.

Drew
03-08-2014, 06:59 PM
Certainly, even in the sense of 'each to their own'. What I am, also, meaning to express is that people get to think that "learning cure" is ominous and it, in fact, is not. The mechanics involved are a lot less & a lot less obscure than many think or are lead to believe. The 2 little tips I mentioned make it 8 even easier than MS has it out of the box. They can even lessen any seeming reason for 3rd Party starts.

I guess I just find it easier, quicker & less confusing to guide people w/ the OS w/out having to tell them they have to add something to use it. They could but, just not a must. And they end up happily using the OS w/out having added anything.

Just alternatives, that's all.

Not saying these things shouldn't be used, only that they are not necessary. And that the 2 items I mentioned may make a new experience of using Win8.1 even more appealing than if people don't know about them.

That's one of the beauties of Windows... lots of choices... heck, there's, @ least, 3 ways just to shut-down or reboot, lol

Cheers,
Drew
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badrobot
03-08-2014, 07:12 PM
there's, @ least, 3 ways just to shut-down or reboot, lol

That alone could have been an easy thing to do with just one tap. But not with Win 8. Before Classic Shell, I used to create shortcut with the script "shutdown /s /t 0" on desktop.

Drew
03-08-2014, 07:51 PM
As oppose to one Rt Clk on the Windows logo w/ Windows 8.1? And that's, also, before & w/out Classic Shell and w/out creating anything like a shortcut. No more to it than there was in, say, Windows 7.

And, yes, this item , in particular, was simplified & made more sensible & intuitive than in Windows 8.0

Let's not forget about or neglect the things presented in 8.1; some streamlined and improved the experience for many people by providing changes & enhancements that are pleasing to & for many people.

Again, one, certainly, can add start things but, even for this example, no real burning need. If one tries to use the OS w/out such things, surprisingly, the tools are, already, there.

But, certainly, someone can use (add) something else instead of what comes as 'standard equipment'; whether required or not.

Cheers,
Drew
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